Talk:LEAP achievement

Goal vs Achievement
Having goals and achievements as a single item type seems a bit confusing.--Scott 16:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

One of the reasons to have goals and targets represented in the same way is that a goal may have subgoals, some of which are achieved and others not yet. Note that in this case, the main goal is plainly not achieved. There is still no sense of "partially achieved" - that belongs to activities, rather than achievements. Simon 06:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Both goals and achievements represent desired states of the world - the only difference is that for achievements, the desired state is actual. Naturally, some goals become achievements, with time and helpful activity. If they were represented by different types, I think there would be more confusion. Simon 06:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I think I'm with Scott on this one, at least from a conceptual perspective (i.e. still leaving room to represent these things using a similar representation for interoperability). At the very least, separating these two ideas could help to minimise crossed wires etc during the development of these wiki pages. --Adam 11:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm - well what of the example I've given on the list, of 43 Things where you can turn one into the other with one click of the mouse? Doesn't that mean they are very similar? And who wants separate speclets for two similar things - doesn't that invite confusion? The suggested (binary) status indicator - achieved or not yet achieved - would do the job of separating goals from achievements. Simon 15:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Other stuff
Achievement should clearly support both personal statements of achievement, that may or may not be "endorsed" in some way by others, and statements made by others. This is where the authorship, ownership debate starts but I think there should be the concept of asserted-by. --Adam 11:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes - I'd envisage this being done through linked / relational information. See that section of the page: the validating authority seems to fit the bill. I guess there is room also for a link to a service where evidence can be seen on-line. In the "distributed" portfolio configuration, perhaps this would mean a link to the originating authorities records about that qualification (or other achievement). Simon 15:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)